Girls in Boy Scouts? In historic change, Boy Scouts of America to admit girls in some programs

In this file photo, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts salute during a Memorial Day ceremony in Linden, Mich. On Wednesday, Oct. 11, 2017, the Boy Scouts of America Board of Directors unanimously approved to welcome girls into its Cub Scout program and to deliver a Scouting program for older girls that will enable them to advance and earn the highest rank of Eagle Scout, Linden, Michigan, May 29, 2017 | Photo by Jake May/The Flint Journal - MLive.com via The Associated Press, St. George News

NEW YORK (AP) — Embracing a historic change, the Boy Scouts of America announced plans Wednesday to admit girls into the Cub Scouts starting next year and to establish a new program for older girls using the same curriculum as the Boy Scouts. The Girl Scouts of the USA has said they are critical of the move.

In this file photo, Boy Scouts are among the volunteers for a National Public Lands Day project aiming to make Sand Mountain cleaner, safer and easier to navigate, Hurricane, Utah, Sept. 24, 2016 | Photo courtesy of Desert Roads and Trails Society, St. George News

Under the plan, Cub Scout dens — the smallest unit — will be single-gender, either all-boys or all-girls. The larger Cub Scout packs will have the option to remain single gender or welcome both genders. The program for older girls is expected to start in 2019 and will enable girls to earn the coveted rank of Eagle Scout.

The Boy Scouts board of directors, which approved the plan unanimously in a meeting at BSA headquarters in Texas, said the change was needed to provide more options for parents.

“We believe it is critical to evolve how our programs meet the needs of families interested in positive and lifelong experiences for their children,” said Michael Surbaugh, the BSA’s chief scout executive.

“The values of Scouting — trustworthy, loyal, helpful, kind, brave and reverent, for example — are important for both young men and women,” Surbaugh added.

The announcement follows many months of outreach by the organization, which distributed videos and held meetings with the Boy Scout community to discuss the possibility of expanding girls’ participation beyond existing programs, such as Venturing and Sea Scouts.

The Girl Scouts of the USA criticized the initiative, saying it strained the century-old bond between the two organizations. Girl Scout officials have suggested the BSA’s move was driven partly by financial problems and a need to boost revenue.

In this file photo, Boy Scouts from troop 1827 of Santa Clara present the colors at the Southern Utah Veterans Home, Ivins, Utah, Sept. 11, 2014 | Photo by Hollie Reina, St. George News

In August, the president of the Girl Scouts accused the Boy Scouts of seeking to covertly recruit girls into their programs while disparaging the Girl Scouts’ operations.

“I formally request that your organization stay focused on serving the 90 percent of American boys not currently participating in Boy Scouts … and not consider expanding to recruit girls,” wrote GSUSA President Kathy Hopinkah Hannan in a letter to the BSA’s president, AT&T Chairman Randall Stephenson.

The Girl Scouts, founded in 1912, and the BSA, founded in 1910, are among several major youth organizations in the U.S. experiencing sharp drops in membership in recent years. Reasons include competition from youth sports leagues, a perception by some families that they are old-fashioned and busy schedules that prompt some parents to despair of meeting all their children’s obligations. For some families, scouting programs that welcome both boys and girls could be a welcome convenience.

As of March, GSUSA reported 1,566,671 youth members and 749,008 adult members, down from just over 2 million youth members and about 800,000 adult members in 2014. The Boy Scouts say current youth participation is about 2.35 million, down from 2.6 million in 2013 and more than 4 million in peak years of the past.

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66 Comments

  • JOSH DALTON October 11, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard since Mormonism became a religion . So does this mean I can join the girl scouts. Does this mean the name of the organization has to change to name to “I identify as Scouts” or “Transgender Scouts” Have there been any boys who want to be girl scouts? Both Boys and Girl Scouts should form one organization called “The Scouts of America” GO FALCONS!

    • Brian October 11, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      Try actually reading the article (rather than just the headline) before commenting, you’ll embarrass yourself less. They’ll have all-girl groups and all-boy groups, not coed, trans, or “identify as” groups. So what they’re doing reinforces traditional gender, it doesn’t water it down or ignore it. This change actually makes sense, in stark contrast to so many of their other decisions over the last decade.

  • comments October 11, 2017 at 2:50 pm

    But the reality is: it really is just all about the $$$. Kids today are so preoccupied with iphones, video games, soc media, etc I can understand why enrollment would be way down. The organization itself is rather a cultural dinosaur. If they want to admit girls, boys, gays, transexuals, goats(lol) I don’t think it even really matters. Wasn’t the LDS church thinking about forming their own scouting program of some sort?

  • JOSH DALTON October 11, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    Ok Brian….You must not know me well enough to know…it is impossible for me to get embarrassed. Secondly you must be Mormon. The change might make sense in your modern way of thinking, I am still old school. It does not matter to me if only a select group of activities are allowed. NO GIRLS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE “BOY” Scouts. (period) Leave the children alone! I guess we should let people who hate guns into the NRA next….Or let New England Patriots fans wear Falcons apparel. Or maybe I should let some KKK members come over to the house for some fried chicken, watermelon and wash it down with some grape juice. GO FALCONS!

    • comments October 11, 2017 at 4:05 pm

      grape juice? I thought it was grape drink. Something like koolaid or punch. LOL

      • JOSH DALTON October 12, 2017 at 8:23 am

        Your right! I stand corrected, I am always willing to admit when I am wrong. Its “Grape Drank” this of course is made of sugar, water and purple. GO FALCONS!

  • NickDanger October 11, 2017 at 4:30 pm

    This is ridiculous. Can’t males have anything? Ever? I’m throwing away my Webelo badges in protest.

    • bikeandfish October 11, 2017 at 11:22 pm

      You’ve had 228 years of male presidents. Professional baseball and football. Fraternities. And those only a handful of the men only privileges which doesn’t include the multitude of male dominated fields like STEM, upper management of businesses, etc.

      The reality is the Boy Scouts are a dinosaur from a bygone are but the core values can survive and thrive under the new framework.
      And it sounds like it will still be gender segregated in many ways. My guess is they are just looking to collect revenue from girls not interested in Girl Scouts style. It was a unanimous vote which rare for any organization so it seems they all know something is on the horizon that was making the BSA’s future uncertain.

      • NickDanger October 12, 2017 at 6:24 am

        You lack perspective.

        Professional baseball and football are all-male sports because females can’t play them well enough to compete, there’s no rule or law preventing it. Fraternities are all-male in the same way sororities are all-female. And 228 years of male Presidents is an expression of the will of the people, who seem to be at least subconsciously aware that females lack the character, integrity, and strength of will demanded of the leader of the free world.

        This crap, however, is nothing more than an expression of the will of the liberal media.

        • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 11:06 am

          No, I have plenty of perspective. In fact, I recognize yours as well. If it aligns with your worldview its meritocracy but if it doesn’t then it’s clearly a left wing conspiracy.

          Your sexist ideology is shining through again.

          • NickDanger October 12, 2017 at 12:22 pm

            Really Bike? Am I sexist? Of course I’m sexist, because here in the real world, where the truth matters, there are SUBSTANTIAL differences between the TWO genders. Unlike Candyland or Libtopia or wherever it is you call home.

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 1:18 pm

            Sexism isn’t about seeing difference.

            Sexism: prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

            Discrimination:the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

            Prejudice:preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

            Stereotype:a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

            Your posts lack fundamental reasoning and logic and are unanchored from reality/history. You judge entire groups of people from anecdotal experiences with a small portion of individuals. If I were to do the same as you I would conclude that all white men are sexist, racist and illogical. The type of flawed logic (ie prejudice, stereotyping and discrimination) would be laughable if it didn’t hurt so many people in our country.

            Once again, it takes a certain ignorance and conspiracy-minded intellect to assume a unanimous vote by the BSA means they are a victim of the liberal media.

          • NickDanger October 12, 2017 at 1:38 pm

            I know what sexism is. And I am sexist. I’m also smart enough to know that keeping Boy Scouts for boys and Girl Scouts for girls has nothing whatsoever to do with sexism.

            You’re accustomed to using all of your “-ist” words as weapons, Bike, but they have no effect on me. I know what I am.

            I know what you are as well – a victim. You’re just a vessel for other people’s ideas – ideas intended to divide Americans and create disharmony while claiming to be just the opposite. Modern liberalism is nothing more than Orwellian doublethink.

            Not one word you say makes any practical sense. But you can’t even hear that because they were never your words in the first place.

            Girls in the Boy Scouts – sure Bike, just what America has been needing.

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 2:36 pm

            I have no doubt there is definable benefit to keeping the BSA sex specific but the governing board chose a different path. With a unanimous vote. No controversy or dissent amongst it’s board members.

            But hold on a second…I thought you and the BSA were the victims of the leftist media? Now I’m a victim? Your logic is getting more confusing.

          • NickDanger October 12, 2017 at 5:05 pm

            We’re all victims of the liberal media.

            What’s funny about all this – and I mean real smiley face funny – is that all you idealists who are trying to bring about all this false hope and change hard reality – are actually shooting yourselves in the foot all the while.

            You know why Donald Trump is President? No, I mean really, do you know why? Because people instinctively recognize that so-called “progressives” are 100% full of it. I’ve said this to you before and I’ll say it again now, you can NOT turn the lies into truth.

            Women are NOT equal to men. Races ARE different. Lazy people are NOT helped by handouts. Women do NOT belong in combat. Marriage IS a religious institution and does NOT allow for two grooms. Our culture is NOT a “rape culture” (whatever that is). Gun control will NOT reduce gun violence, though it will certainly increase it. And the list goes on, and on, and on, and on – the list of things you are dead wrong about, and conservatives are right about.

            So you keep living in that little bubble of yours, Bike, and you will keep getting the constant, exponential backlash your false ideas deserve until it finally bursts – or maybe the election of President Trump is that inevitable burst.

            A lot of Americans are stupid, that’s true enough.

            But a lot of us aren’t.

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 10:26 pm

            There ya go again NickDanger, exposing personal prejudice with no relevance to truth. What you just stated was personal opinion about women, minorities and in different socioeconomic classes to justify your discrimination. Its similar to the way you jump to conclusions about me. The beauty is you keep volunteering tons of unrelated worldviews that expose your own prejudice and bigotry while I sit back and reveal little about myself. Your assumptions about me are huge leaps because of that.

            I could care less about predictions. Its ironic though, as I predicted Trumps win about 9-12 months out and everyone I know thought I was crazy, on both sides of the aisle. Sadly, my bubble is rather non-existent. It would be alot more comfortable to have one. I spend time combating your type of ignorance, sexism and racism as much as I do those on the left. Really quite politically homeless despite your ignorant assumptions. The alt-right and internet trolls like you were clearly gaining impact on politics after decades of being sequestered in the margins. The liberal leaning media sites never saw it coming because they didn’t know how to play in the mud. Moderate ones had an idea but never understood how Trump appealed to swing voters. Trump could win again or not. I don’t think the Ed K’s are helping the matter strategically even if I can have sympathy for some of their concerns. But I also think extremist like you and Bryan Hyde are playing the same hand over and over again as you really only have one. And ironically its the very victimhood snowflakiness your ridicule. Just look at the fear mongering, stereotypes without substance and extreme measures being presented. And you volunteer them without request.

            I guess in 4, 8, 12++++ we’ll know how true your predictions are. My guess is we will keep seeing the same fluctuation every 4 to 8 years in party representation we have always seen. The power of the executive just seems to erode at any trust of enough citizens to create that oscillation. Could be wrong.

  • desertgirl October 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    Josh, don’t expect common sense from the dumb-downed average American. The progressive rollover has done a great job of convincing people they are not entitled to be a ‘gender’ and enjoy same gender company. If they don’t get that the Boys Scouts means for boys and Girl Scouts mean for girls they are already brain-washed or so lazy they give in and don’t care. We can thank them for the deterioration of the family and the rise in divorce over the decades.

    • bikeandfish October 11, 2017 at 9:42 pm

      So progressives are responsible for divorce trends? Makes sense given its down to a 40 year low. Divorces peaked in 1980, more than 37 years ago. Hawaii and California rank in the lowest group by state.

      https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/anderson-divorce-rate-us-geo-2015-fp-16-21.html

      You clearly don’t know what your are talking about in regards to gender as progressives respect individual’s agency in self-identifying their gender.

      • ladybugavenger October 12, 2017 at 7:47 am

        Marriage is the #1 cause of divorce 😂

      • John October 12, 2017 at 1:54 pm

        If I had a dollar for every gender there is, I’d have 2 dollars and a bunch of counterfeits. That is the truth, that is the way it is..

        • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 2:20 pm

          You don’t even know the difference between sex and gender.

          • John October 12, 2017 at 4:36 pm

            And you don’t know the difference between your brain and a tree stump..2 sexes 2 genders..anything more is a mental illness called delusional psychosis look it up know it all..since you are the only one on this whole thread who has the liberal authority to mislead the public with your leftist theology which is flawed at best if not downright pure propaganda. Keep paying attention to the mainstream media and they will have YOU believing that being a progressive is a good thing.. you can take your liberal Nazi anti=american platform and go SIT ON IT. you are nothing more than a loudmouthed busybody and nobody gives a hoot about your self ordained moral superiority..You are not the brilliant scholar you think you are.. 2 genders…2 sexes…scientifically proven…

          • John October 12, 2017 at 5:00 pm

            Biological science confirms this: If a child is conceived with an X+Y combination of genes, he is a boy from the moment of conception and will be a male until the day he dies. If a child is conceived with an X+X combination, she is a girl from the moment of conception and will be a female until the day she dies.
            Now Facebook wants us to believe there are 58 genders and that there is no connection between biology and sexual identity. Science fiction tells us there are multiple genders, and that gender is fluid and can change from day to day.
            But science tells us something different, that there are just two sexes, with sexual identity fixed at conception. For members of the reality-based community, there are two and only two genders. There always have been just two genders, and there always will be just two genders.

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 5:33 pm

            John,

            Please provide the scientific evidence that there are only 2 sexes. Within that explanation please justify your rigid concept of sexual dimorphism in contrast to:

            1) The readily available scientific data regarding intersex (phenotypic and genotypic expressions)

            2) The commonality of non-binary chromosomal types like sex polysomies and monosomies.

            3) Centuries of world cultures recognizing non-binary sex and gender roles.

            4) The documented cases in animals of non-binary sex like sequential hermaphrodites, etc, AND unconforming gender roles within some species.

            Would love to see that explanation as it clearly is not consistent with anything resembling biology, neuroscience or social scientific findings of the last 30 years.

            My guess is what you meant to say was you learned we only had two sexes and genders and that your religion reinforces that preconcieved notion. People confuse that with “scientifically proven” all the time. But I could be wrong in that guess. Please prove me wrong.

          • John October 12, 2017 at 6:04 pm

            I just did..progressive pillhead… Biological science confirms this: If a child is conceived with an X+Y combination of genes, he is a boy from the moment of conception and will be a male until the day he dies. If a child is conceived with an X+X combination, she is a girl from the moment of conception and will be a female until the day she dies. there it is oh believer in facebook science..look it up almighty bike… you might think before you comment sometime.. duh.. science is science and progressivism is based on nothing but air..put that in your fish and smoke it

          • comments October 12, 2017 at 6:28 pm

            “Please provide the scientific evidence that there are only 2 sexes.”

            b&f keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper. b&f, you’re digging yourself down to the level of a sandyhook denier.

          • John October 12, 2017 at 7:09 pm

            2 sexes..2 genders.. I’m sorry if that deflates your alternate progressive bubble , but people who don’t deny reality all believe 2 sexes and 2 genders. People who identify themselves as “transgendered” are mentally ill or simply unhappy. Cosmetic surgery will not change the chromosomes of a human being in that it will not make a man become a woman, capable of menstruating, ovulating, and having children, nor will it make a woman into a man, capable of generating sperm that can unite with an egg or ovum from a woman and fertilize that egg to produce a human child. So – a person who has all the DNA and physical conditions of being a male (i.e. – male genetics, male sex organs, male characteristics, etc.), who FEELS they would RATHER be a female, and they are severely unhappy (dysphoria) because they are not a female – isn’t that EXACTLY the definition of a PSYCHOTIC DISORDER ? Are they not in a state of “delusion?” Are they not “interpreting reality in an extremely abnormal fashion?” The answers are self evident.
            “Gender dysphoria” is a mental illness called a Psychotic Disorder. Sorry liberals – you can’t have it “both” ways after all.

            While understanding the very real heartache that can accompany any mental illness, those of us who are rational would contend that the answer to the problem is not to simply call the illness “normal” and then look for ways to enable the illness and then to impose it upon the rest of society as “perfectly acceptable” and even celebrated. Rather, like any other true mental illness – it must be identified for what it is and then appropriately treated.

            We would not dream of telling a sufferer of the mental disorder classified as Bulimia nervosa that we will now provide a “place” for them to “practice” their disorder – and will allow them special regurgitation rooms so that they can feel “normal.” Would we? Maybe we should – after all – don’t we want everyone to “feel” accepted – regardless of their “self-identity?” Do you see where this insane thinking takes us?…duh..Liberals are still dumber than real sheep

        • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 9:41 pm

          John,

          You are quoting 8th grade science that was never accurate to the complex realities of human anatomy, genetics and sexuality. We have called people with XY chromosomes male and people with XX chromosomes female. But that only accounts for two of the numerous other genotypes that exist outside our binary descriptors. These genotypes exist in noticeable across every human society. XXY exists in about 1 out of 1,000 births. There are ton of other chromosomal combinations that don’t cooperate with the overly simplistic binary sex descriptors we use. And then there are the phenotypes, what was commonly called hermaphrodites. We know babies in the US are born intersex enough to warrant its own field of research and laws that allowed doctors to make the medical decision to surgically assign sex without parental consent. When you include the diversity physical types and genotypes we find that about 1 out of every 100 births doesn’t conform to male or female descriptors.

          This has been known since at least the 50s and well documented. You don’t know the biological, genetic or anatomical science if you are trying to defend such antiquated ideas. And the study of gender has highlighted multiple types of expression affected by multiple variables (well beyond the nurture vs nature dichotomy you have probably heard of). I could dig deeper into the science but I am going to guess you will engage in some type of illogical and pseudoscientific rebuttal.

          I would recommend you read some real science on the issue before trying to convince a person who has a relevant college degree that 50+ years of scientific evidence is invalid and that your rigid binary is anything more than a medical invention that has long lived passed its usefulness and ethical application.

          • John October 12, 2017 at 10:37 pm

            You are quite the numb headed liberal moron..progressive trash science..sorry you are sooooo wrong on this for your xxy business..genetic mutations occur..they are mutants..duh..2 sexes and 2 genders..just like a 2 headed bike and fish! So I suppose you are for pukatoriums for all the bulimics so they can indulge their delusions too? There is no difference between them and one who thinks they are some gender that does not exist in nature..take your progressive fake science back to your alternate cloud and stay there until you get a grasp on REALITY.. You are misinformed and probably are one of those that is still crying because Hillary lost.. It is an illness if you think you are something you physically are not. It is called a delusion :
            a medical mental condition in which you believe things that are not true. Sorry they need medical help and so do you because you believe that progressive garbage..it is a delusion . sorry . Time for you to rethink your existence and maybe rejoin reality.. you are not the big bad scholar you think you are..you are just another turd in the punch bowl of life like the rest of us.. Pull up your big girl panties and deal with it and take off that stupid tin foil hat, open the windows and take a deep breath.. YOU are not the end all – be all of all things ..you are a typical liberal in that you know so much that isn’t so.. and it is fun to just trigger your self important butt…hahahaha!

          • comments October 13, 2017 at 6:10 am

            “When you include the diversity physical types and genotypes we find that about 1 out of every 100 births doesn’t conform to male or female descriptors.”

            Well, I don’t know about your statistics here. No doubt that mother nature produces a lot of anomalies and non-sexable and hermaphrodite creatures. These are freaks of nature and in the natural world they would more than likely be a genetic dead end because they’d not be capable of reproducing. It’s a messy world when it comes to birth defects and genetic anomalies and mutations and such. If leftists want to try and normalize hermaphrodites and other such anomalies that’s their prerogative, but they’ll always be freaks of nature, and I’m not even using the term freaks of nature as a derogatory. Care to source your 1 in 100 statement?

          • bikeandfish October 13, 2017 at 10:41 am

            Comment,

            Here is the citations, but you will likely be blocked by a paywall:

            Blackless, Melanie, Anthony Charuvastra, Amanda Derryck, Anne Fausto-Sterling, Karl Lauzanne, and Ellen Lee. 2000. How sexually dimorphic are we? Review and synthesis. American Journal of Human Biology 12:151-166.

            Actually many in the “intersex” category can and do reproduce. Calling them freaks isn’t related to Science but your personal, value based assumption. They array of non-binary genetic and chromosomal arrangements are even considered a biological mutation as that is a term normally used to describe a genetic change, ie on an existing framework. The intersex and hermaphrodite genetics are the original framework at conception. Anamolies is less loaded but is only relevant to the way we choose to label our observations of the world. The clear reality is human sex exists in a spectrum even if the majority fit within the classic binary. Most, but not all. The binary existed long before modern Science could genetically map humans and has shown itself to not be accurate to life’s complexity. Which includes non-binary people able to live happy and productive lives, including bearing children.

            Individuals like John can call them whatever they want but can’t just co-opt scientific terms without being called out. He is picking a fight with a individual with a degree in the field and has shown a bigoted zealotry disguising a profound scientific illiteracy. He isn’t even disguising it well given how quickly he jumps to insults.

            How we segregate bathrooms has nothing to do with science and is an entirely different conversation.

          • bikeandfish October 13, 2017 at 10:42 am

            Aren’t considered mutations

        • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 9:51 pm

          Comment,

          I wouldn’t try to align with John’s odd and ill-informed take on the non-binary complexities of human sexual genotyes and phenotypes. Science has supported that view in a long time.

          Here is a quick google scholar search that reveals how complex human sex differentiation truly is and how the category of “intersex” is real and well-studied:

          https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C45&q=human+intersex&btnG=

          Nothing about challenging his pseudoscientific claim is remotely related to “deniers” or “truthers”. Its founded in real science that is empirical and peer reviewed.

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 10:26 pm

            *hasn’t supported.

          • John October 12, 2017 at 10:59 pm

            Well momma know it all… It is 8th grade science..Biological science confirms this: If a child is conceived with an X+Y combination of genes, he is a boy from the moment of conception and will be a male until the day he dies. If a child is conceived with an X+X combination, she is a girl from the moment of conception and will be a female until the day she dies……Not some progressive’s biased research to promote a population of self imposed mutants.. it is not OK to feed into one’s delusions and I will not participate the a transgender’s hallucinations. You can if you want but you will be doing more harm than good. Promoting mental illness should be a crime, but with all the progressives in government positions this type of insanity will continue. Maybe more people should call you to task and allow you to make a fool of yourself , because I find triggering you to be quite entertaining.. Remember you are just another turd in the punch bowl of life, just like the rest of us and nothing special.. unless you have some of those extra magic chromosomes..hmmmm?

          • bikeandfish October 13, 2017 at 12:43 am

            Are you using the word triggered ironically?

            The only delusion is claiming “2 sexes and 2 genders” when you have even admitted the existence of other genotypes like XXY. You may call them “mutants” but they are real nonetheless which undermines your entire fallacious and unscientific argument.

            Welcome to modern science, ie the last 50 years:

            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/beyond-xx-and-xy-the-extraordinary-complexity-of-sex-determination/

            This is just one of the rather eloquent charts that explains how complex sex determination is and how real non-binary genotypes and phenotypes are in humans. Even your notion notion of from conception to adulthood doesn’t hold up to empirical observation and analysis. There are several types of trajectories that appear to be one sex at birth but at puberty a cascade of hormones or other factors affect how one sexually matures into an intersex category. And that doesn’t include all of the individuals whose genetic makeup at birth are at best sexually ambiguous and/or contain the sexual organs of both sexes.

            The DSM-5 is where gender dysmorphia comes from and it doesn’t recognize it as a pathology but a form of individual distress that comes from the experience. Any respectable professional doesn’t treat transgender identifying individual (not the same as intersex) in the way you pejoratively use the phrase “mental disorder”. Instead a mental disorder, as used by the leading professional organization in the field, is defined as:

            ” a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual’s cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning. Mental disorders are usually associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities. An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.”

            Life’s complexity is the turd floating in your worldview.

          • comments October 13, 2017 at 6:24 am

            LOL, I don’t know if “mutants” is quite the most fitting label for them, but I got to agree with John, at least somewhat. Like I said above, these sort of genetic anomalies tend to die off and not be perpetuated in the natural world as they’re not able to reproduce. Mother nature can be a cruel b****. Probly one of the reasons I’m an “atheist”. I’d leave it to humans to do such things as extract sperms from hermaphrodites and breed them and create all sorts of terrible abominations. Reminds me of one the the Alien movies where they try to make an alien/human hybrid–sigourny weaver’s baby, LOL. Man, there really are some terrible things in this world.

          • John October 13, 2017 at 9:41 am

            You really enjoy making yourself look like a stubborn beast of burden,,, you just can’t handle being wrtong,, hahaha! there is no magical third chromosome , there are only 2 sexes ,that’s why most places have 2 rest rooms, one for males and one for females. Enabling one to live in their hallucination is delusional and cruel , just like i said previously, would you propose vomit rooms for all those women who have bulimia to enable them to indulge their psychosis? Bulimia and transgenderism fall into the same category of mental illness, delusional psychosis ! You have egg on your face again bike and fish, and you can take your degree in women’s studies and put it back on the wall next to the TP for emergency use and your 50+ years of scientific trash science right next to it, hahahaha! the only 50 years of science you know is the time you spend on the shrink’s couch . you talk like a liberal , you act like a liberal and you trigger like a liberal.. and liberals are NEVER RIGHT , IF IT ISN’T BROKEN THE LIBERALS HAVEN’T TRIED TO FIX IT YET. Go fix your chain bike ,it’s off the sprocket , just like you

          • John October 13, 2017 at 1:25 pm

            You are a turd bikeandfish.. you are not smarter than anyone else, you are not more intuitive than anyone else, you are fallible just like everyone else. Your college degree is worthless and I hope you enjoy your career at Starrucks because that is all your degree is worth. Sorry to tell you that you are not the brilliant social guru you think you are. Yes, you are just a turd in the punchbowl of life just like the rest of us. And yes, you are easily triggered when somebody stands up and disputes your crap liberal talking points. Get a life , stay away from JUNK SCIENCE, (anything that comes out of a liberal arts college) Do some HONEST research. Drop the libtard talking points, I have about as much respect for you as I do for liz pocahontas warren and maxi pad waters.. show some real science and not some leftist bloggers opinion.. read the fine print next time. And may your magic third chromosome bring you unicorns and maybe reality.. have a nice day..you bore me with your fake intellectual prowess..you would make a fine democrat..hahahaha!

          • comments October 13, 2017 at 6:01 pm

            Bike, sometimes I think you get lost in your own little world sometimes. The leftists want to normalize what is essentially a birth defect? I’d say a person is either a man, a woman, or defective in some way. I understand some leftists want to be all inclusive or whatever, but some people are just defective. Life isn’t fair for them, I get it. But there really is no reason that they should be taking pride in their defectiveness. I also don’t believe they should be using advanced technology to assist them to breed and pass on their defective DNA. If they can breed naturally, obviously they can be classified as male or female. Boy this devolved into a strange discussion didn’t it.

            On a side note, thinking back to when i was a boyscout, it might’ve been fun to have girls around. Of course there’s gonna be all that sexual tension added into the mix, probably more sexual tension than having a gay adult scoutmaster supervising a bunch of young boys. woulda been interesting for sure. LOL

  • old school October 11, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    The sign on my man cave stays; NO GURLS ALLOWED!!!!

  • youcandoit October 12, 2017 at 1:48 am

    I can understand the concept. My opinion I see it as a way to help male and female to work together instead of dividing them more equality.

    • ladybugavenger October 12, 2017 at 6:58 am

      I don’t want to be equal to a man! They are crybabies! They can’t do what woman do. Don’t make us equal! I don’t want to lower myself 😂

      • .... October 12, 2017 at 4:42 pm

        Sees LBA standing there with her cape flapping in wind and has. I am woman hear me roar. printed on her cape

        • Real Life October 12, 2017 at 5:51 pm

          If you are a superhero your name is Captain Annoying. With the power to annoy anyone near you.

        • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 2:00 pm

          Yep! And try and keep up with this woman, Dot LOL
          I love my cape!

          P.S. men have there place. It’s to fear God, protect woman, protect their family, work long hours, put food on the table.
          And women can help do that also.

          The problem is men have become complacent and lazy and no place in their life for God.

          My husband is disabled and is My protector. My partner in this life. My problem solver. My balance when im unbalanced. We protect each other. My God fearing husband that keeps me on the straight and narrow, when my flesh wants to explode on someone and I do the same for him.
          I love to work! I love to work in my yard! I hate laundry, but someone has to do it lol.

          God needs to be #1

          Amen and have a blessed day.
          (Is that a wrinkle in my cape? I don’t iron lol)

    • comments October 12, 2017 at 10:24 am

      I think there’s lot of reasons not to have co-ed scouts. Also i think the mormons were correct on not wanting to have homosexual scout leaders. Isn’t that like the fox in charge of the hen house?

      • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 11:03 am

        Homosexuality and pedophilia are different. The reality is your child is more likely to be sexually assaulted by a heterosexual male than any other person, well unless you add in a heterosexual male the family knows. The fox is already in the hen house.

      • ladybugavenger October 12, 2017 at 12:05 pm

        Good job Bob! Now b&f is arguing about who sexually assaults more. As if, it’s ok.
        And you have b&f arguing the difference between pediphilia and homosexuality. As if, you mentioned either one,
        .
        Good job Bob!

        • ladybugavenger October 12, 2017 at 12:17 pm

          Well, you did mention homosexuality but not sexual assault of the little children. Implied? Perhaps, some can interpret it that way. Did you say it? No.

          b&f the numbers will always be lower because the amount of homosexuals is lower. Although, it’s on the rise and may pass heterosexuals in the near future with this hog wash being fed into the minds of children.

          • ladybugavenger October 12, 2017 at 12:34 pm

            They are both an abomination. Lgbtqrst need Jesus just like heterosexuals.

          • comments October 12, 2017 at 6:43 pm

            ” the numbers will always be lower because the amount of homosexuals is lower”

            exactly right

          • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 9:58 pm

            LBA,

            You are right about the raw numbers but that actually supports my initial claim. The reality is the underlying factor is “men” without a ton of difference between heterosexual or homosexual factors. So if we were really concerned about letting the “fox in the hen house” then measures would be placed on men accessing kids in general. Something like 95% of all sexual assaults on kids are perpetuated by men. But such a measure would be draconian as most men don’t commit pedophilia as its a very unique issue. Given we don’t consequence all men for the actions of a minority of them it is consistent and fair to do the same thing with the subcategories which have relatively minute affect.

            Society keeps conflating homosexuality with pedophilia though. Its ignorance and scapegoating. Such misinformed discrimination doesn’t meaningfully prevent sexual assault on minors. The reality is your young boys are just as safe with heterosexual leaders as they are with homosexual leaders. In fact, if they allowed homosexuals leaders they would all have to go through the same background checks which is fair and appropriate. Anything else is just plain prejudice.

          • comments October 13, 2017 at 6:29 am

            Yeah bike, but would u really want your 12yr old boy scout hanging out with grown homosexual adult men? It’s a bit cringe-worthy, no?

          • bikeandfish October 13, 2017 at 7:28 am

            Comment,

            I see nothing anymore “cringeworthy” than a leader that is heterosexual. Have known plenty of homosexual men that could easily teach kids how to live up to the scout law. Haven’t seen any reason they can’t provide that leadership to the same level and quality as other men. Reality is there sexuality has nothing to do with that equation and skill. Anyone who can pass the background

          • bikeandfish October 13, 2017 at 7:29 am

            *anyone who can pass the background check and has the skills to lead should be considered equally.

        • bikeandfish October 12, 2017 at 12:45 pm

          You don’t understand how the comment heirarchy works. I was responding to “comment” hence the line from my comment to his. He mentioned homosexuality and “fox in the hen house” which is a clear reference.

          • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 8:07 am

            Actually, yes I do. I was replying to Bob (comments), in the proper manner. I reply to myself to add what I didn’t say the first time.

            b&f you must be exhausted. Go take your dog for a hike and relax. Go look at the fall colors and become one with nature- the same nature God created. 😆

  • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 7:42 am

    I had a lesbian physical ed teacher in jr high. She would watch us undress. It was disturbing. I became an expert at getting undressed and dressed without showing anything.

  • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Boy scouts do more fun things and girl scouts have cookies. Just combine them and call it scouts. Keep the cookies!

    Bottom line, people are wicked. Trust no one with your children. Keep your eyes open to your surroundings. Whether it be a person of authority, at church, your own family, an lgbtqrs, your neighbor, a stranger….sexual assaults happen a lot! Mostly, unreported. You must be on guard and be aware of letting your children go places. The moment you feel that your child is safe, is the moment something will happen. Be involved, be aware, and be on guard-and report it.

    These are the last days, wow unto those that give birth during these times.

    • JOSH DALTON October 13, 2017 at 9:40 am

      Typical…ladybugavenger (woman) has to get the last word in! LOL! 😉 No disrespect intended! btw, GO FALCONS!

      • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 10:23 am

        I’m sure b&f will chime in shortly LMBO!
        P.S. I love fried chicken and watermelon too!

        • comments October 13, 2017 at 12:31 pm

          how bout grape drink? 😉

          • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 1:40 pm

            I’m down with grape drank

      • ladybugavenger October 13, 2017 at 3:02 pm

        One of my last name’s use to be Dalton. I’m white, your black- it’s like we are related, brother from another mother 🙂 Go Raiders!

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